Cohen: drie dagen bedenktijd voor paddogebruiker

Psychonoot - 2007-09-14 11:59:33

That's definitly a great idea. Some are still thinking it seems !

Gonzo_Shaman - 2007-09-14 15:45:13

Erg goed idee. Bijna brilliant te noemen. Je kan zeggen over Job Cohen wat je wilt, maar als het om drugsbeleid gaat, weet hij verdomd goed waar hij het over heeft. Chapeau, Job en VLOS!

crusher - 2007-09-14 16:23:24

I cant believe that finally some ppls in the gouvernment have a good idea about drugs. I thought it would be the end of shrooms, glad to see its probably not.

Shrooms are soooo wonderful if you know the risks, you how to use em and so on.

Just dont take to much, be in a good set and have a good setting thats it. If you follow those rules all will be fine.

More infos about shrooms is all what is needed for buyers and maybe age.

Hempman - 2007-09-14 18:13:26

Echt prachtig initiatief, nu hopen dat het erdoor komt!!! Dit systeem zou ook mogen met andere hallucinogenen, go for it!

not buying it - 2007-09-14 19:32:45

so now it gets registered who uses mushrooms by an official government institute, through the pass.

undercover fascists at work and most of you will fall for it, like the posts above this shows..

problem-reaction-solution ... and the solution is always more infringement of your privacy of course....

Nicko - 2007-09-14 19:41:45

Where did you read it was going to be registered ?

Mike, I agree - 2007-09-14 20:25:26

Nicko it says "Een pasjessysteem moet de paddo-gebruiker behoeden voor ‘onverstandige impulsaankopen.’ Kopers die voor de eerste keer in een smartshop komen, krijgen op vertoon van hun identiteitsbewijs een pasje met een datum er op."

Translation in short, you have to show your ID card or passport to get that pass which is manufactured by the government. And like everything that comes from the government, it is registered.

A few years from now, other incidents happen (you cant stop them, there are always idiots among users), they will use the so called succes of this little pass to implement it to all users, to "protect" us from the "dangers" of of it all. And they will know who buys what when how much etc.

That's the way it went with many other issues. Anyone who trusts the government with it is deluded, more than a crack addict even.

jappie - 2007-09-14 20:27:24

weer een pasje erbij, maar ik wil hem wel, zo'n paddopas!!

Bert van der Zee - 2007-09-14 21:17:54

Toch niet voor kitjes,wel? Dan heb ik op zijn minst anderhalve week bedenktijd immers..

Koen - 2007-09-16 13:49:45

Prima idee. Er zullen helaas altijd wel minderjarigen of andere mensen zijn die nog steeds misbruik zullen maken, en er op een andere manier aan zullen komen. Maar in iedergeval is dit een effectieve manier voor de toeristen!

Mijn vraag: Hoe gaat azarius hiermee werken?

Docus - 2007-09-16 14:34:13

Met "je identiteitsbewijs tonen" bedoelen ze hoogstwaarschijnlijk dat je gewoon je leeftijd moet bewijzen tegenovezr de verkoper. Ik denk niet dat ze gaan opschrijven wie je bent en waar je woont of zoiets.

MrGone - 2007-09-16 15:28:43

@ not buying it
There's no fascist organisation at work here. The plan that Cohen oppered is very reasonable. And WHAT would a government get from knowing who uses mushrooms anyway. NO, it is still a freedom of CHOICE that is helt high here. The sole purpose is to prevent unknowing tourists to get into a trip they did not dream to have, the three day waiting period is to get educated and to decide if you'll do it or not. It is thoughts like yours that create MORE fear, thus creating less solutions for combining the elements of governmental action and the freedom of the people. The solution is, from my standpoint, simple and is in no way fearfull.
And I would like to add, it is much more fun growing mushrooms yourself. I think the dutch government will never be that close-minded to actually ban mushrooms, but for the sake of public health they should regulate them.

Malk - 2007-09-16 19:15:21

It sounds like a pretty good idea. Ironically, this is a problem caused by the prohibition in other countries. If people weren't in such a terrible hurry Amsterdam would see far less of these problems.

Having tried mushrooms - and quite enjoyed them - it is still not something I do casually. In fact I've called off more than one trip because I didn't feel the time or mood was right.

Trying to convey the message that this is really something that requires the right set and setting is the right way to go. Better we all take a step back from glossy and irresponsible advertising or else we may all see this wonderful drug join the other drugs in Prohibition.

Bill - 2007-09-16 23:07:40

Its a shame for the responsible people who will be visiting for a couple days.

christos - 2007-09-17 12:02:13

the stupidiest idea ever heard of..... i dont know if this law is for making the tourists stay a little bit more than a weekend in amsterdam ... and its not for fascistic reasons for sure ,,, its just a so stupid way of "solution" ,, just for them (the gov) to say that they made some actions about the mushrooms without affecting the market ( the money ) ... anyway i dont think the people that come in amsterdam will inform themselfs for three days about mushrooms instead of sitting around in coffeeshops and smoking weed & be stoned all day long or maybe buy some LSD from some rastaguy just to make a trip ,, thats all ,, A WEEKEND "DRUG" RACE IN AMSTERDAM ,, THATS THE TYPICAL TYPE OF WEEKEND TOURISTS FOR THIS CITY ... i have never visit amsterdam ,, and if i would ,, even for a week i would still not buy mushrooms ,, i enjoy them much more in my country ,, buying from azarius of course ,,, peacefully and quietly without any bastard's subliminal law over my head ... an experienced user doesnt care for that stupid things ,, he arrange his/her trip ... the unexperienced users , which among them are people that use mushrooms only for fun ,fun ,fun are not patient and dont want to be ...

HEY MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE ENTHEOGENIC SEMINARS IN SPECIAL SMARTSHOP AREAS FOR NEWCOMERS ; )) AND AFTER FIVE HOURS OF PARTICIPATION GET A CERTIFICATE OF ENTHEOGENIC USER .... ; )) ...

FUCKING GOVERNMENTS THEY THINK ALL OF US ARE STUPID ...

BAN THE PARLIAMENTS AND ALL THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS THAT ARE INSIDE ...

OUR GOV HAS MUCH MORE BASTARDS THAN YOUS I BELIEVE ,, BUT ANYWAY ,, THEY RULE ,, EVERYWHERE ,, THE SAME THING ...

Nicko - 2007-09-17 13:41:21

You just do not understand the idea I think. Obviously they do not think they will help people preparing their trips. The idea is just a simple way to avoid tourists (bad)tripping on mushrooms in the streets, because practically all the guys that come to Dam are here to take drugs, and many of them are sixteen year olds eating mushrooms as if they were just some kind of powerful weed or beer.
If I lived in Dam I would be glad not to have kids tripping in the street every fucking day in the year. And I would not care about having to wait three days to eat shrooms.

pp - 2007-09-17 19:09:15

it must have something to do with the trinity of heavens... they want to connect with divinity by creating a 3 step mushroom gate that is the portal to another dimention!!!!
ehm... or something completely different..

Not a Dutch - 2007-09-17 21:49:42

Funny to see in this page so many Dutch folk (judging by their names and opinions) actually trusting their government.

What a hoot! LOL!

pierro - 2007-09-18 20:17:11

wat een gelul die verboden
wel goed dat ze willen informeren maar dat gezeik over die paddo's
als ze nou uns iets met drank deden daar gaan jaarlijks echt veel mensen aan dood en alle vergiftigingen ieder weekend
laat ze daar maar eens over denken

Arjan - 2007-09-18 20:41:09

wanneer komt die Ab Klick nou met zijn ''paddoplan'' want de twee weken zijn al over.

Iemand enig en en denken dat er een algemeen verbod komt of een aanscherping van de regels?

groeten

peterblaat - 2007-09-20 21:31:44

jah, ik ben nu ook wel eens nieuwsgierig wanneer hij komt... hij lijkt precies op mij, uitstellen, uitstellen, beloven het toch echt binnekort te doen, en dan nogsteeds uitstellen:P
hijzou het toch met prinsjesdag bekend maken?

Krypto - 2007-09-24 00:27:33

I think this is a good idea but at the same time has its downside...I for instance live in Germany and often go for a weekend to visit Amsterdam...Sometimes even just for a day. My point here is once the "law" or whatever is in place...DO I AN EXPERIENCED USER HAVE TO WAIT TO GET MY FRUITS....??? That would be quite discouraging to me and infact I can imagine I would be quite pissed that I had to stay so long....

not buying it - 2007-09-24 19:09:47

MrGone, its because of people like you why governments can take away the privacy of people. with your rhetoric about freedom of choice etc while they are taking away your freedom.

you are a nice example of how sheeple are, just trust your government, dont worry and the ones who are against them are the enemy who spread fear? sleep well :)

Neuro Politician - 2007-09-26 16:05:46

I thinks it's a good idea, especially for those who are prone to an impulse buy. Mushrooms are something to be repspected, rather than used as a chaser when for an unprepared drunk teen. I must admit though, 3 days is too long. 2 days would be long enough.

Nicko - 2007-09-26 16:47:35

No, the aim is that you should not be able to take shrooms when you spend a single week-end in Dam.

Sap - 2007-09-30 05:03:32

Nicko, that's how you boil a frog....slowly, just a little bit by bit....so it doesnt notice it gets boiled. You are the frog if you believe this trick of theirs is just all they will do ;)

young-but-informed - 2007-09-30 16:11:56

I think it will help stop stupid teenagers hurting themselves or others because they didn't think to learn anything about mushies,
however for people(like myself) who live in countries where mushies are illegal this means that when we want to pop over to amsterdam for a weekend to have some legal trips we'll have to wait 3 days despite the fact that we already know how to use mushies safely and responsibly.

Stone's philosopher - 2007-10-01 08:59:31

If the ID is for age verification, not registration, I believe this is a very elegant solution.
Even people from outside NL would be able to get one of these passes, so it does not ban tourists from using mushrooms either.
Just single time visitors that are there to get "really fucked up, dude" for the weekend would be seriously bothered. And those are exactly the ones we don't want filling up the emergency rooms.

e - 2007-10-01 20:14:37

It is good to hear of a developing public policy regarding mushrooms which respects all parties; residents, visitors, the uninitiated as well as the experienced psychonauts. Open discussion, rather than outrightly banning or criminalizing mushrooms, is progress. When have you ever heard of a government promoting dissemination of useful, true information to someone wishing to have the psychedelic experience? I hope other governments can develop such an enlightened approach. In that day and age the 3 day wait may not be an issue. Till then the experienced should emphasize the usefulness of their knowledge to the first timer, so they don't get in over their head, make an ass of themselves and ruin the (party) progress society has been making in accepting and understanding entheogen use.

Bill - 2007-10-01 20:52:53

I hope someone who has used a mushroom pass will explain the procedure in detail a little better for us. For instance can we pick up a pass at any smartshop we pass and use it to purchase from any other place that sells? and do we get to keep the pass or do we hand it in and apply for another everytime we wish to purchase?

qgh - 2007-10-07 13:17:21

goaflashers!!!!!!!!!!!!!get a live

guerrilla Belgo - 2007-10-08 14:02:17

hier in Vlaams Brabant zijn ze al goe bezig met GUERILLA buiten kweek / int; natuur gebied / !!! geen probleem mé de paddo toeristen

Azarius - 2007-10-08 14:36:52

@Bill It will take another while before the procedure goes into use... but as soon as it is, we'll get some first hand reports!

Toad - 2007-10-08 15:22:45

Een zinnige discussie, ik kan niet anders zeggen. Tuurlijk zijn er panische reacties te bespeuren met de strekking 'politiek zuigt', maar dat soort is er altijd. Laat ik voorop stellen dat het plan van Cohen de verworvendheden van Amsterdam enigszins inperkt, maar geenszins verbiedt. Dat is juist een kenmerk van Amsterdam. Wat dit plan van de pas probeert te bewerkstelligen (en deze motivatie heb ik al vaker gelezen in dit forum) is dat de onwetende, op sensatie beluste Engelsman die al vanaf een uurtje of elf in de ochtend halve liters bier naar binnen aan het werken is en aan het eind van de middag in een vlaag van misplaatste onverschrokkenheid een smartshop binnenloopt, de heftigste paddo's opkauwt en vervolgens als een verdwaasd persoon door de Amsterdamse straten rondloopt en uiteindelijk met een hevige angstaanval naar zijn pension loopt en daar uit het raam mietert omdat-ie denkt dat zijn vliegtuig naar Derbyshire zonder hem vertrekt. Aan deze mensen hebben wij in Amsterdam sowieso een broertje dood. Als deze regeling zou betekenen dat die Britse malloot besluit helemaal niet naar Amsterdam te komen, zeg ik: Hoera!

NL Robin - 2007-10-17 10:59:56

The best idea would be to refuse giving any drugs at all to tourists, let them get it in their own country.. ow wait.. sorry.. YOU CAN'T GET THEM THERE IN A SHOP, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GET BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY

"christos" and "not buying it" fuckers, you should be grateful that this kind of drugs are legal in Holland

overnoize - 2007-10-17 21:05:29

www.Reddepaddo.nl

Nielz - 2007-10-23 13:49:52

ik vind het een goed idee, uiteraard, maar waarom doet iedereen zo moeilijk over 3 dagen, als je toch 1x dat ding haalt dan heb je hem toch je hele leven... hij staat toch op naam en de datum staat er op dus wat is het probleem?!
ben maar blij als ze dit voorstel aannemen want het is een stuk beter dan een algeheel verbod!

Keep On Living Your Dream

mtn - 2007-10-24 11:43:20

wel onhandig als Belg, maar het is wel de beste oplossing die ik gehoord heb
fingers crossed :/